Scandinavian Indie Digest Wed May 21, 1997 Volume 4 : Issue 23 There are 39 messages totalling 1410 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. smalands thursday 2. language (was: Kollar bara) (3) 3. North of No South mailorder/Pillow 4. 2.95 dollar sounds 5. trade ya... (6) 6. Kollar bara (2) 7. NATURE'S OWN 8. trade ya... (with scandinavian content!!!) 9. Souminian Singers (was: Kollar bara) 10. Gig-rewiev: Mana Mana 11. Kent on Good Morning America? (4) 12. Anything about Backfisch ? 13. Oxford tape 14. sweetheart & karkkiautomaatti 15. finns at hultsfred 16. Harry's Playground, update. 17. NMC 18. Sweetheart & Karkkiautomaatii (or something like that) 19. Bizarre web pages 20. popfest stockholm 30 may! 21. Creeps (2) 22. Skrikhult Tour List _Update_ [18-May-97] 23. Luger Tour List _Update_ [18-May-97] (2) 24. Motor Tour List _Update_ [18-May-97] 25. emmaboda news 26. Luger Tou (non-scan) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:47:36 +0000 From: Mats Subject: smalands thursday There's a "cultural week" going on at Smalands nation in Lund this week. Tomorrow evening, Thursday 15/5, NEUHAUSER gets on stage at 22 pm. They sound a bit Gong-ish and Kraut-ish. Improvisations, moogs and space sounds. After that at 23 pm, BENT SPANNER, ARTY BANNER gets on stage. Hard, weird Pop/rock? To finish the evening Micke Fant, member of the band Crescent Venus, starts of the Krautrock (don't we hate that word) disco. Loads of Neu, Can, La Dusseldorf, Faust and the other great germans. Mixed with some newer sounds like Stereolab and Tortoise. And don't forget the forgotten Trio. Be there... /Mats -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:06:56 +0100 From: Michael Rehnstrom Subject: Re: language (was: Kollar bara) And has anyone else noticed that the last month or so there has only, with a very few exceptions, been swedes writing to the list? Is this a sign that other people have become fed up with us swedes by now. I hope not, I joined this list to get information about music in the whole of Scandinavia, I can get info about swedish music just as easy elsewhere. Never mind if your english isn't perfect, this is a good opportunity to get some training in this language. /Micke --------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:35:19 -0600 From: stewart@accessinn.com (Stewart ) Subject: Re: language (was: Kollar bara) Micke asks: >And has anyone else noticed that the last month or so there has only, with >a very few exceptions, been swedes writing to the list? Is this a sign that >other people have become fed up with us swedes by now. I hope not, I joined >this list to get information about music in the whole of Scandinavia, I can >get info about swedish music just as easy elsewhere. Never mind if your >english isn´t perfect, this is a good opportunity to get some training in >this language. Well, in my case, I'm an American who has only been getting into Swedish pop for the last 18 months or so--I started with the Wannadies, discovered the Cardigans when the US edition of LIFE came out in early 1996, then discovered Eggstone's SOMERSAULT (one of my current favorite albums) and Komeda. (Speaking of Komeda, am I the only one who much prefers POP PA SVENSKA and PLAN 714 TILL KOMEDA to THE GENIUS OF KOMEDA?) So the reason I don't post is that I'm afraid I don't know very much yet even about Swedish pop, and I know nothing at all about pop from Norway, Finland, or any other Scandinavian countries. And I don't want to sound stupid, so I don't say anything. Maybe some of the other non-Scandinavians on the list feel the same way. Stewart -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:47:39 -0700 From: xander@sirius.com Subject: North of No South mailorder/Pillow This post is mostly aimed at listmembers who live in North America... Just in time for summer...For those who missed out last time around, some goodies back in stock from the eccentric Swedish label North of No South: (NB: we've left descriptions out, since we figured most of you have heard about these bands. However, our full descriptions are certainly available--send us an email and we'll be happy to pass it on) KOMEDA "Plan 714 'Till Komeda" ep $7.50 HONEYMOONS "Domestic" (11 track album) $15.00 "Travel" b/w "My Innocent Friend" (2 track CD) $4.50 TRIO LLIGO s/t (10 track album) $15.00 DAYBEHAVIOUR "Adored" (12 track album) $15.00 CLOUDBERRY JAM The Art of Being Cool (7 track ep) One copy left... $10.00 Blank Paycheck (13 track album) One copy left... $15.00 Providing the Atmosphere (15 track album) 4 copies left... $15.00 RAY WONDER Hurray! (13 track album) One copy. $14.00 General Hugging Center (2 track cd single) One copy. $4.50 CARPET PEOPLE Volley U Make (16 track album) 2 copies... $12.00 Also available: SUPER "spark" cd ep $5.00 Not a NONS band, and Finnish in fact! Classy pop. Their favourite records include Burt Bacharach, Satin Etienne, the Cardigans and Stereolab. It shows! We love them to pieces--hopefully their new album, Rendezvous with Super, should be winging its way to these shores very soon to various mailorders services. But why not treat yourself and pick up their first ep, containing the essential early version of "People's Democratic Movement"? PART TWO!!! Exciting news for Seashells fans: we've just managed to get our hands on a pile of Pillow's "Sona's EP" 6 song cd ep from 1995. For those of you who don't know, Pillow is the next step in the Seashells saga. Noisier, but with that weakness for a good strummy pop song shining through, this ep has been criminally ignored and we think that's just plain ridiculous. PILLOW Sona's EP $7 (that sounds like something you can buy at IKEA, just noticed that...) ******* POSTAGE (first class, natch') within the US is $1.50 for the first item, $2.50 for 2 items, anything 3 items or more is $3 flat. Canada or overseas, please write and we'll figure it out. Destructions: 1. E-mail to confirm your order (or to ask for the band descriptions!) 2. Send checks or money orders in US currency with a friendly note to the address below. 3. Elisa, postage queen, will bundle up your goodies. 3. Enjoy your new records. Cheers, Alexander Bailey 722 Alcatraz Ave. Apt. #106 Oakland CA 94609 USA -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 03:05:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: magnus@lousy.pp.se (Magnus Johansson) Subject: 2.95 dollar sounds Hey, just thought that I'd drop a couple of lines to promote a compilation cassette called "2.95 dollar sounds" put out by Scary Cassettes. It contains 18 indie/alternative/ lo-fi/rock/pop/whatever songs by 18 more or less unsigned Swedish bands like In A Spring, Ogden Flood, Phlegm, Kevlar, Poyken and Picabo to name a few. Okay, so Lousy have a song on it but actually I couldn't care less about our contribution since we've gone through some major line-up changes since that song was recorded. Well, it's a good song, could've been performed a lot better though. So that's not why you should get the tape. Get it because it contains some really, really good music! You'll probably be as surprised as I was about the high quality of a lot of the bands on it. Here's how to order: If you live in Sweden, send 20:- and two stamps to: Scary Cassettes c/o Jonas Nilsson Allingavagen 5 D:316 227 34 LUND Foreign orders I think is like 6 USD or something but e-mail Jonas at eng96jni@student2.lu.se for more details. There's a complete track listing on the Lousy site, just go to the discography-section, the URL is http://hem.passagen.se/lousy Take care, Magnus ---------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:10:35 -0700 From: jesterf1@best.com Subject: trade ya... Stewart states, > Well, in my case, I'm an American who has only been getting into Swedish pop > for the last 18 months or so--I started with the Wannadies, discovered the > Cardigans when the US edition of LIFE came out in early 1996, then > discovered Eggstone's SOMERSAULT (one of my current favorite albums) and > Komeda. (Speaking of Komeda, am I the only one who much prefers POP PA > SVENSKA and PLAN 714 TILL KOMEDA to THE GENIUS OF KOMEDA?) So the reason I > don't post is that I'm afraid I don't know very much yet even about Swedish > pop, and I know nothing at all about pop from Norway, Finland, or any other > Scandinavian countries. And I don't want to sound stupid, so I don't say > anything. Maybe some of the other non-Scandinavians on the list feel the > same way. Jedster states, Stewart,you are certainly not the only non-Scandinavian to prefer Pop Pa Svenska to The Genius of cd. Me thinks the former is absolutely gggreat! Just need to brush up on the Swedish language and all will be candy. As far as the lack of contribution thing goes. Don't feel bad because I am on a similar boat. I am sure that if the topic was Pearl Jam or some other awful grunge band, we(Americans) would have much to contribute. I say that with much regret. Also because American popular music is seemingly backwards in progression, we also have very limited access to the wonderful music that our Scandinavian friends have to offer. In the meantime, we shall sit like sponges and absorb. Willing to export Bruce Springstein in exchange for Cloud Berry Jam in a heart beat, Jed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Forsberg Subject: Re: trade ya... On Wed, 14 May 1997 jesterf1@best.com wrote: > far as the lack of contribution thing goes. Don't feel bad because I am > on a similar boat. I am sure that if the topic was Pearl Jam or some > other awful grunge band, we(Americans) would have much to contribute. Since when was Pearl Jam ever grunge?? They do reside in Seattle, but sorry, they aren't grunge. Mudhoney, old Nirvana, Tad, etc.....THAT'S grunge! What you hear on American radio now ain't grunge either -- it's recycled, third-hand faux grunge (Silverchair, Bush, Seven Mary Three, et al). I happen to like a lot of what came out on the SubPop label in the mid-to-late 80's, but the commercial crap that's out there now isn't the same thing at all. It's sort of what the Monkeys were to the Beatles: pale, bland imitations. Chris --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 07:48:51 +0300 (EET DST) From: Timo Riitamaa Subject: Re: Kollar bara it's a little boring to talk about other than swedish music, since nobody want's to talk about it. sure, i can send a million messages about bands on Bad Vugum and Trash Can or Metamorphos, but if i want a reply, i'd be better off talking about the Cardigans or the Wannadies. flame on... np. Dead C. - Trapdoor Fucking Exit -Timo ------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:56:05 -0600 From: Philip Gammell Subject: NATURE'S OWN On the morning of June 1st Nature's Own will bring the Scandinavian and U.S markets together for the first time. Whith this welcomed and much anticipated change, Nature's Own will take on international proportions in the minds of the networkers and in the hearts and lives of the distributores. For more information check out the web page at http://www.naturesown.no/ Thank you James Gammmell ------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:09:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jesper Sandvad Subject: Re: Kollar bara On Thu, 15 May 1997, Timo Riitamaa wrote: > it's a little boring to talk about other than swedish music, since nobody > want's to talk about it. sure, i can send a million messages about bands on > Bad Vugum and Trash Can or Metamorphos, but if i want a reply, i'd be better > off talking about the Cardigans or the Wannadies. Oh, please do. My primary reason for subscribing to this list was to hear more about finnish music. I don't even _like_ swedish pop, which makes listening in here a tad boring at the moment. Saw Isebel's Pain this weekend at an extremely cool venue in Berlin. They were their usual, hard-rocking self, and with me being generally happy and drunk on weissbier I had a great time (even though people from Berlin try so hard to be cool that they forget to enjoy the music). Next monday at 1000fryd Sweetheart from Finland is playing (support from Karkiautomatii - anybody know them?). Saw them a couple of years ago, and they blew me away! The press material compares them with VU and Captain Beefheart, but I dunno. More like Big Black in my book, but better! Anyway, "Well-dressed meat" and "An ordinary family.." are indispensable albums. > np. Dead C. - Trapdoor Fucking Exit Kiwi music rules, too ;-) np. Tall Dwarfs: 3 ep's js ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:00:15 +0200 From: mp93ks@mc.hik.se (Kristofer Samuelsson) Subject: Re: trade ya... Chris Forsberg wrote: I don't want to be picky but... > I happen to like a lot of what came out on the SubPop label in the > mid-to-late 80's, but the commercial crap that's out there now isn't the > same thing at all. Bands on SubPop I like Very much: Beat Happening, Combustible Edison, Eric's Trip, Grifters, Red Red Meat, Supersuckers, Velocity Girl. Commercial crap? I have hard to understand your point. In my opinion SubPop is still one of the best labels in the US, altough they have changed quite much during the last years. OK they have a major connection nowadays, and I think that's rather sad, but if you but that aside SubPop is one of the forerunners on the US growing pop scene. >Since when was Pearl Jam ever grunge?? They do reside in Seattle, but >sorry, they aren't grunge. Mudhoney, old Nirvana, Tad, etc.....THAT'S >grunge! And I do think that Pearl Jam was grunge. No good though ... /Kristofer Samuelsson mp93ks@mc.hik.se ---------------------------------- Date: 15 May 97 10:01:46 +0000 From: "toby" Subject: Re: trade ya... (with scandinavian content!!!) > It's sort of what the Monkeys were to the Beatles: > pale, bland imitations. whoaaa, wait a minute, the Monkeys were an awsome band, as were most of the so called sixties copycats, the Beatles might have lead the pack but some of the greatest songs ever written were put out by lesser known bands. (And bands as big as the Monkeys) Putting it frankly, the Beatles might have revolutionised popmusic as we know it but i'd still go for any Beach Boys/ Jan and Dean / Fantastic Baggies /Hollies / Byrds / Monkeys et al song any day. And i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the Beatles (as the Oasis of their day) were just too big to for their owb good. There's simply no way to discover them, they're everpresent, they overwhelm and invade instead of creeping up and surprising with their greatness. Just the same way i feel about INDIE-pop! There's no thrill in Oasis or Blur or Suede or MAnsun or ----insert name here---- but stumbling upon the frantic arpeggios of the Teen Anthems (a Welsh keyboard based crash-pop outfit), or the skruffy yet glimmering four track demos of Smash Hit Wonders, or the farfisaglory of the sadly missed Madison Electric. Or the thrill of swedish sixties outfits such as Tages, Namelosers and the greatest band to ever come rushing out of the souther suburbs of Stockholm-------> The Mascots, whos contribution to the pop wall of fame must be the absolutely fabulous "Words Enough To Tell Her". Imagine the harmonies of the Beach Boys set to the glorious jangle of the Byrds and you're getting there. Anyway's most of these sixties bands have been re-released and can still be picked up today, lets hope we don't have to wait thirty years to discover the greatness that surrounds us right now, churning out demos and cheap 7" singles, doing shows around the corners of the world while we're all too busy looking for that new majorlabel release thats litterally's being showed down our throats. oh, before i forget, any of the more mod inspired folks out there might be interested in an awsome retro package featuring californias finest mod outfit Powder. The comp, aptly titled "Biff! Bang! Powder!" is out on some obscure american label but it truly glimmers in it's early Who-ish glory. staying true to the young idea toby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:11:11 +0100 From: Erik Starck Subject: Souminian Singers (was: Kollar bara) >it's a little boring to talk about other than swedish music, since nobody >want's to talk about it. sure, i can send a million messages about bands on >Bad Vugum and Trash Can or Metamorphos, but if i want a reply, i'd be better >off talking about the Cardigans or the Wannadies. So maybe you could tell us (or at least me, who haven't heard any of them) about all the finnish band that will be playing at the Hultsfred festival? FYI, it's: o Apocalyptica (SF) o Elakelaiset (SF) o Kumikameli (SF) o Huutajat (SF) o Jimi Tenor (SF) /Erik $. - "Confusion, confusion, confusion, confusion, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, confusion, confusion, confusion, confusion.", Broder Daniel -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:31:44 +0300 (EET DST) From: Pete Korhonen Subject: Gig-rewiev: Mana Mana Gig rewiev: Mana Mana, (Unborn SF, Braindrain) 9th of May, Riihimaki/Bonanza Hi Dear List! This is the short rewiev of the Mana Mana -gig in Riihimaki at 9th of May - as seen from behind the drumset... The gig was held as a birthday-party for one guy from Riihimaki(cant remember who it was, but what the heck, congr. anyways!). The first two bands I missed (more or less), becouse I had to get some rest and something to eat -for I had travelled through the whole country to get to Riihimaki. The place (Bonanza) is a quite big place, actually a motel that is by the highway nro. 3 (from Helsinki to Tampere) and is about 5 km from the center of Riihimaki, a quite small town. So actually we were playing in the middle of nowhere. And the motel was a major macho-redneck-texas-mexican -style dance-hall for adults, maybe 3 or 4 hundred could fit in if wanted. Stuffed animals and cowboy-hats hanging around - What a place! And the 'original' crowd that was there drinking their beers - cowboyhats, worn-out jeans, moustache, redneck...ahhh!! Anyways, there was about 50 punk and goth and other rockers in Bonanza as Mana Mana started with its 6 man line-up, with Otra(gtr), Tumppi(bs), Kaltsu(voc), Antti(gtr), Jake(gtr) and Pete(me, dr). Jouni was in the guest-list again...Sound politics was a kind of a mess, a junior behind the mixing-table for his 2nd nite in that position - sorry, but he just didn't make it! Songs went quite well and only slight mistakes were noticed. Due the circumstances only a short rehearsal was held, so it was first time since last september that we were up and playing together. Band was not too drunk and volume was HIGH-UP. Some critisism can be put on the songlist, or the order of the songs played. Seemed like the audience got what they wanted about in the middlepart of the gig and started to get more drunk and as they stopped dancing and concentrated more on listening (hope so...). The feeling in the stage was quite good, only some small technical problems seemed to bother Otra - Kaltsu stepped on his amp's remote-box and down went the sounds... - and his broke some strings.... Thank god there is 3 guitarists in the line-up so he could concentrate on the solo-parts.... Maybe too much sitting in a hot car, but at least I felt extremely tired after the gig and also my wrists were aching so that I hardly could hold a pen! Jake told that I had hit the drums very heavily, so that might explain the wrists...I had my E-A-R-plugs in, so my ears were not ringing afterwards - as some ears in the stage or in the audience might have done. The end Epilogue For some reason there was a massive advertisement campain that Mana Mana was to be in Tampere next evening. We checked our man in Tampere, and he told us that he hadn't sold any gig and as far as he knew, there was some mix-up with the permissions and that the gig was not be hold. Also Mana Mana did not recieve any contract or other form of contact, that would have shown that we shold play there. I tried to phone the club there, Sub Club, but even the finnish telephone company didn't have their number. According to these facts we decided not to go out to hang around Tampere for a gig that might be or might be cancelled (hey it's 6 guys living in 5 places around the freaking country!!!). If fans there in Tampere have felt dissapointed, we are truly sorry for the inconvinience. We'll make it up next time! Next time someone arranges a gig, _INFORM THE BANDS_!!!! Thanks. Pete /enter/manamana/whatever http://www.media.jns.fi/enternet/ pkorho@cs.joensuu.fi --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:35:36 +0200 From: Jan.Sundstrom@ekuc.se (Jan Sundstrom) Subject: Re: language (was Kollar bara) He he, I'm going to Lithuania tonight, and some girl have promised to take me on an all-night tour round Vilnius. Too bad everybody seems to be into bad garage punk over there. But who knows what i might find?! BTW, I'm missing out on the Eggstone show tonight at studion, but say hello to the rocksters "from the guy with the cap". Jan ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Forsberg Subject: Re: trade ya... On Thu, 15 May 1997, Kristofer Samuelsson wrote: > Chris Forsberg wrote: >> I happen to like a lot of what came out on the SubPop label in the >> mid-to-late 80's, but the commercial crap that's out there now isn't the >> same thing at all. > > Bands on SubPop I like Very much: Beat Happening, Combustible Edison, Eric's > Trip, Grifters, Red Red Meat, Supersuckers, Velocity Girl. > > Commercial crap? I have hard to understand your point. In my opinion SubPop > is still one of the best labels in the US, altough they have changed quite > much during the last years. Sorry, misunderstanding......when I wrote "crap that's out there now" I was not referring to the current output of SubPop, I was referring to the stuff that pretty much saturates American "alternative" radio nowadays. Combustible Edison, Velocity Girl, etc, are cool and I don't consider them commercial at all. >> Since when was Pearl Jam ever grunge?? They do reside in Seattle, but >> sorry, they aren't grunge. Mudhoney, old Nirvana, Tad, etc.....THAT'S >> grunge! > > And I do think that Pearl Jam was grunge. No good though ... Well, we're gonna hafta disagree on that one! :-) To me, Pearl Jam are like an updated, 90's sorta classic rock. Their main influences are stuff like Neil Young, Bad Company, normal old rock and roll from the 70's. Mudhoney and other true grunge bands, OTOH, were into much wilder underground stuff like Flipper, Big Black, and pre-punk stuff like the Stooges, MC5. I think if Pearl Jam had come from say, Bangor, Maine, or Boston, Massachusetts, instead of Seattle, Washington, the label "grunge" would have never been applied to them. ----------------------------------- Date: 15 May 1997 18:20:50 +0200 From: Robert Cumming Subject: Kent on Good Morning America? I caught a radio report about the US TV programme 'Good Morning America's broadcast yesterday live from Stockholm. And it sounded to me like they had played Kent as background music at some point - 'Pojken med halet i handen' I think. Did anyone else notice? Robert -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:44:25 MET-1MEST From: "Martin Kern" Subject: Anything about Backfisch ? Hi ! I'm a great Backfisch fan from germany and like to get in touch with anyone, anything relating to the band ! Ciao, Martin -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:53:02 +0300 (EET DST) From: Timo Riitamaa Subject: Re: trade ya... > Since when was Pearl Jam ever grunge?? They do reside in Seattle, but > sorry, they aren't grunge. Mudhoney, old Nirvana, Tad, etc.....THAT'S > grunge! What you hear on American radio now ain't grunge either -- it's > recycled, third-hand faux grunge (Silverchair, Bush, Seven Mary Three, et > al). I happen to like a lot of what came out on the SubPop label in the > mid-to-late 80's, but the commercial crap that's out there now isn't the > same thing at all. It's sort of what the Monkeys were to the Beatles: > pale, bland imitations. Hehe, hate to brake it to you, but the thing that was before this puke-like band called Pearl Jam was called Mother Love Bone. MLB was definately not jumping on a wave, and while it wasn't a pioneer in the essence of, say, Mudhoney and Flipper, it was still thought of as grunge... where am i going with this? uh, but if we can't call Pearl Jam grunge, then propably we should seriously think about changing the bands were talking about, because i assure you most of them have nothing to do with independent... it's all fine what were doing here, but don't for god's sake think of it as more than what it is. because most of us (me included) are just little trend-followers. flame on. np. Dadamah - This Is Not A Dream -Timo --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:36:23 +0100 From: Michael Rehnstrom Subject: Re: trade ya... jesterf1 wrote: > Also because American popular music is > seemingly backwards in progression, we also have very limited access to > the wonderful music that our Scandinavian friends have to offer. In the > meantime, we shall sit like sponges and absorb. You do that :-). I can understand that it is hard to contribute very much if you live "over there". When I wrote my last message I was thinking more about our neighbours in other scandinavian countries. I have been able to read plenty of reviews of swedish records, gigs and info about swedish bands, events etc here recently. I just think that at least some of us might be interested in the same kind of information from Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Norway and the Baltic states. I do, in fact, have a question but the rumours it is based on are so old that the news might have spread from Denmark to other countries by now. Anyways, I heard something about ludox recording a new album. Anyone who knows whether it is out yet and, if it is, whether it is any good? > Willing to export Bruce Springstein in exchange for Cloud Berry Jam in a > heart beat, Not interested, take Ace of Base instead ;-) /Micke, filling his apartment with lots of Elegant Machinery ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:39:33 +0100 From: Michael Rehnstrom Subject: Oxford tape I received the Oxford tape in my mail today. If anyone wants to be added to the list - please mail me before the end of this week. After that the tape will be on its way to Leif Larsen in the US of A. /Micke ---------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:14:15 +0300 (EET DST) From: Timo Riitamaa Subject: sweetheart & karkkiautomaatti > Next monday at 1000fryd Sweetheart from Finland is playing (support from > Karkiautomatii - anybody know them?). Saw them a couple of years ago, and > they blew me away! The press material compares them with VU and Captain > Beefheart, but I dunno. More like Big Black in my book, but better! > Anyway, "Well-dressed meat" and "An ordinary family.." are indispensable > albums. Oooh! Sweetheart, how do i describe them. i wrote about them in Popwatch, and Sweetheart was the hardest to put into words. actually i compared them to Big Black too. for anybody who still is into loud rock'n roll action, this is thee thing... Karkkiautomaatti is a great band too, but in a really different way. they play really good 60's bubblegum meets punk stuff. those two bands are totally different, but they compliment each other... Sweetheart's got a new moore mood-jazz (well atleast in the bad vugum scale) and garage oriented album that i really like, called Intoxicated Boom Boom. i have never in my life (well maybe the VU albums) heard a record with so good sound. i mean, they mixed it theirselves, and it really shows. in the same way that a lot of finns like bob hund, i think you'd like karkkiautomaatti. altough the lyrics are great, there's so much other stuff on there that it doesn't matter that you don't understand them... altough i've got a feeling that half the swedes don't understand what bob hund is singing. my heart is a dirty container... -Timo -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:14:20 +0300 (EET DST) From: Timo Riitamaa Subject: finns at hultsfred > So maybe you could tell us (or at least me, who haven't heard any of them) > about all the finnish band that will be playing at the Hultsfred festival? > > FYI, it's: > o Apocalyptica (SF) metallica by cello. well done and atleast addicted to noise (www.addict.com) liked 'em, but i don't know... it's fun for the first time. just don't buy the album > o Elakelaiset (SF) Elakelaiset prooves that even a joke-band can be good. they play "humppa" wich is a dance/rythm that old people seem to like. they take famous songs (deep purple, 2unlimited etc.) and rearrange them into humppa. should be fun live, depending on wich language they use. just don't buy the album (elakelaiset = retired people) > o Kumikameli (SF) this is the same guys as elakelaiset, and they suck. sort of a redneck version of YUP. (kumikameli = rubber camel) > o Huutajat (SF) take about 50 ugly guys who start to shout (huutajat = the shouters), i mean shout, not sing in a chore all kinds of songs ranging from national anthems to whatever. should be a weird experience. just don't buy the album > o Jimi Tenor (SF) he used to play minimialistic techno etc. fringe stuff back in the early 80's, but now he's showing how easy it is to make hits and become famous by playing the grooviest, coolest easy-listening lounge music. he's said that in the new album "have been done all possible mistakes to make it a mega hit" basically, he's cool as shit, because he's fucking around with everybody who's trying to be really hip by listening to music like his. -Timo -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Forsberg Subject: Re: Kent on Good Morning America? On 15 May 1997, Robert Cumming wrote: > I caught a radio report about the US TV programme 'Good Morning > America's broadcast yesterday live from Stockholm. And it sounded to > me like they had played Kent as background music at some point - > 'Pojken med hålet i handen' I think. Did anyone else notice? Yeah, I've been watching Good Morning America all week....Monday morning they were in Denmark, Tuesday in Bergen, Norway, yesterday in Stockholm and this morning somewhere in Finland. And tomorrow they're in Reykjavik. I have only heard one Kent song before (and it wasn't that one), so I didn't notice it. I did hear a snippet of something from "First Band on the Moon" (and it wasn't one of the songs getting airplay, either). I thought that was cool. Some female singer named Robin sang at the end....not quite my cup of tea. She's supposed to be quite big in Sweden now - they said she went platinum. Is platinum the same there as in the States? Chris ------------------------------------ Date: 15 May 1997 23:23:54 +0200 From: Robert Cumming Subject: Re: Kent on Good Morning America? Chris Forsberg wrote: >> On 15 May 1997, Robert Cumming wrote: >> >> I caught a radio report about the US TV programme 'Good Morning >> America's broadcast yesterday live from Stockholm. And it sounded to >> me like they had played Kent as background music at some point - >> 'Pojken med hålet i handen' I think. Did anyone else notice? > > Yeah, I've been watching Good Morning America all week....Monday morning > they were in Denmark, Tuesday in Bergen, Norway, yesterday in Stockholm > and this morning somewhere in Finland. And tomorrow they're in Reykjavik. > I have only heard one Kent song before (and it wasn't that one), so I > didn't notice it. I think it was a wee instrumental bit of Kent in the background when they were trying to find good-looking Swedish guys (hey, sounds like me with my walkman on %-). I was pretty pleased with myself for being able to identify it... > Some female singer named Robin sang at the end....not quite my cup > of tea. She's supposed to be quite big in Sweden now - they said she > went platinum. Is platinum the same there as in the States? I doubt it, though maybe in relative terms. Robyn is okay, I think: the next big Swedish export will be soul, so look out for Stephen Simmonds and Stakka Bo/Titiyo/Fleshquartet/N}id... Robert, still waiting to hear back from P3 what that great track was that got played on last week's 'Gunnar' ----------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 00:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: patrik@popstar.com Subject: Harry's Playground, update. Ok, here's the schedule for Harry's Playground, Gothenburg: 22/5 - Anywhen + Bug Squad 29/5 - Beavis & Butthead Party (with Silverbullet, Emrik from Stonefunkers etc.) CONFIRMED! 5/6 - Psycotic Youth + Paul Collins (US) 8/6 - Redd Kross (US) Then, after that last date (8/6), we're taking a vacacion 'til August or September since i will go on the road with Eleven Pictures this summer (37 gigs in 39 days!!! See you in Roskilde!). Harry's Playground will be back in a vengence after this summer. Get your rocks ready for Hurricane #1, Fish, and if date avails: Bob Hund!............ And to Erik (chief@lysator.liu.se), regarding Beavis & Butthead and Silverbullet, all i can say is: GET YOUR ASS RIGHT HERE! It's money worth spent. Don't miss all the free stuff (T-shirts, badges, CD's, rubber masks etc.) you'll get when you attend to the Beavis & Butthead-Silverbullet-gig. And, for god sake, don't miss Redd Kross. PowerPopNonStop! Questions 'bout any of theese gigs or Harry's Playground in general: mailto:patrik@popstar.com Sincerely Patrik Herrstrom ------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 08:28:49 -0400 From: Blue Studio Productions Subject: NMC Our group, Barendt & Kendrick belong to New Music Central, a kind of new, but seemingly good place to harbour new indie music of all kinds. Please check out our spot, Barendt & Kendrick album, But Did You Feel It? and listen to some of the real audio cuts from the new album! There are a lot of different types of music offered by different bands. http://newmusiccentral.blueroom97.com or even http://www.inetnow.net/~bluestudio/ Thanks! Anyone know who'll be on the big stage at Malmofestivalen this year? Wendy -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:55:58 +0200 From: Michael Rehnstrom Subject: Re: Sweetheart & Karkkiautomaatii (or something like that) I heard that both these bands will play at a "finnish festival" at venue Studion in Stockholm the next weekend (23rd-24th of May). Seven bands, I think, are supposed to play. I don't remember the names of them all but Circle and Aavikko are two of them. I suspect that Thee Ultra Bimboos might be one of the other bands, but I am not sure. Then there was a band called something including 69 Eyes. Anyways, I wont be able to go there, I have two exams here at the university during the forthcoming weeks (Yes! Some things I consider more important than music, though there aren't a lot of things as important as that). /Micke ------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:09:29 +0300 (EET DST) From: Siim Kalder Subject: Bizarre web pages A brand new web page of BIZARRE from Estonia has just been set up at www.halo.ee/bizarre containing thorough information about the band, as well as samples of all, and full-length versions of seven BIZARRE songs. siimk ------------------------------- Date: 19 May 97 17:17:31 +0000 From: "John Boqvist" Subject: popfest stockholm 30 may! hi! we're proud to announce the first monthly happening of our brand new club "the international pop underground" . (and, yes, the name IS a tribute to you-know-who...). We'll be getting together once a month for some pure pop fun, spinning our favourite records (both twee and anorak, shambling and cutie! :) ) , having the bands-we-never-get-to-see play live. we will also mingle, mix and socialize. at this first get-together, the line-up is as follows: Cessna Red Sleeping Beauty Grand Internationals Chris/Suretoss and, yes, there will be a bar... date: 30 of may time: 20:00 place: kulturstationen, norra bantorget, stockholm price: 40 SEK if you have any questions, please mail back to johnb@algonet.se, mikael_matsson@algonet.se or thobjon@algonet.se. the i.p.u wish you welcome! John Boqvist/Per Johansson/Mikael Matsson/Christer Nilsson/Torbjorn Thorsen/Stefan Zachrisson ------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Forsberg Subject: Re: Kent on Good Morning America? On 15 May 1997, Robert Cumming wrote: >> Some female singer named Robin sang at the end....not quite my cup >> of tea. She's supposed to be quite big in Sweden now - they said she >> went platinum. Is platinum the same there as in the States? > > I doubt it, though maybe in relative terms. Robyn is okay, I think: > the next big Swedish export will be soul, so look out for Stephen > Simmonds and Stakka Bo/Titiyo/Fleshquartet/N}id... Speaking of Swedish soul.....are the Creeps still around? When I was in Stockholm back in '90, their album "Blue Tomato" was just out. I really liked some of it. Wondering if they ever did anything after that.. Chris ----------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:43:09 +0200 From: Michael Rehnstrom Subject: Re: Creeps Chris Forsberg wrote: > Speaking of Swedish soul.....are the Creeps still around? When I was in > Stockholm back in '90, their album "Blue Tomato" was just out. I really > liked some of it. Wondering if they ever did anything after that.. > Chris Yes, they are still with us. I think so at least, they released an album not too long ago (early last year, I think). They also recorded a video, with one song from the album, that had quite much playtime on Z-Tv (swedish equivalent to MTV, sort of). Since my memory is working quite well today I don't remember the title of either the album nor the single (but I do remember that there is a frog on the album cover). I also remember that I thought the video was quite fun, making fun of all these TV commercials trying to sell you eternal happiness by just taking a pill or something (on the other hand their video to "Ooh, I like it", from "Blue tomato" was, actually, a TV commercial for a swedish clothes retailing-chain which also sponsored the entire album). The music, well it was OK but they sound exactly like before. I don't own any Creeps records and if I ever decide to buy one it won't be this new one. "Blue tomato" is the same sound but better songs (haven't heard very much from their earlier recordings). I believe most people thought the same way, the sales have been far less than for "Blue tomato". /Micke -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:27:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Skrikhult Tour List _Update_ [18-May-97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scandinavian Indie Skrikhult Tour List _Update_ Scandinavian Indie May 18th, 1997 by Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCANDINAVIAN: CANDYSUCK StarTracks / House of Kicks (co-op w/Hipshot Prod.) 21/5 Stockholm Studion Cancelled 24/5 Lindesberg TBA New Date 26/5 Fredriksstad (N) TBA Cancelled 4/6 Stockholm Studion New Date MEANWHILE We Bite / House of Kicks *NEW* 31/5 Bollnas Bollnaspunken NINE StarTracks / House of Kicks (w/Luger Prod.) *NEW* 14/6 Hultsfred Festival 12/7 Arvika Arvika Festival OUTLAST Wounded / Amigo + LASH OUT - Stormstrike / HoK *NEW* 20/5 Stockholm Kafe 44 21/5 Linkoping Skylten 22/5 Karlstad Cafe Cinema 23/5 Boras ScenStudion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The complete Skrikhult Production Tour List is posted once/month ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:27:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Luger Tour List _Update_ [18-May-97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scandinavian Indie Luger Tour List UPDATE Scandinavian Indie May 18th, 1997 by Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCANDINAVIAN: BREACH (S) - Burning Heart / MD May 23 Hova (S) Rockfickan New Date May 24 Hassleholm (S) Perrong 23 New Date May 26 Alvesta (S) Heydays New Date May 31 Tranas (S) Raser Festival New Venue ENTOMBED (S) - Music For Nations / MNW ILR May 28 Helsinki (SF) Tavastia New Date May 29 Jyvaskyla (SF) Lutakko New Date May 30 Tampere (SF) Tulliklubbi New Date May 31 Joensuu (SF) Kellari New Date Jun 1 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar New Date Jul 3 Kristiansand (N) Quart Festival New Date Aug 29 Trondheim (N) Nedre Elvehavn New Date FIRESIDE (S) - Startracks / BMG / House Of Kicks *NEW* Jun 6 Linkoping (S) Universitetet Jul 12 Arvika (S) Arvika Festival Jul 25 Stockholm (S) Lollipop Aug 16 Karlstad (S) Mariebergsskogen THE HELLACOPTERS (S) - White Jazz / House Of Kicks May 26 Stockholm (S) Rest. Prinsen New Date Jun 1 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar New Date Jun 7 Sandviken (S) Parkrock New Date Jun 14 Stockholm (S) Stadion New Date w/KISS Jun 15 Stockholm (S) Stadion New Date w/KISS Jun 17 Helsingfors (SF) Hartwall New Date w/KISS Jun 19 Oslo (N) Spektrum New Date w/KISS Jun 21 Kopenhamn (DK) Valbyparken New Date w/KISS Jul 11 Sundsvall (S) Festival New Date HONEY IS COOL (S) - MVG Records / MD *NEW* May 23 Goteborg (S) Underground May 24 Vaxjo (S) Bakgarden Jul 12 Arvika (S) Arvika Festival Aug 8 Emmaboda (S) Emmaboda Festival Aug 10 Stockholm (S) Stockholm Water Festival KOMEDA (S) - Nons-MD / PLR / Minty Fresh Jul 26 Stockholm (S) Lollipop New Date LOOSEGOATS (S) - Startracks / House Of Kicks May 31 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar New Date Jul 12 Arvika (S) Festival New Date Jul 26 Stockholm (S) Lollipop New Date MESHUGGAH (S) - Nuclear Blast / HOK *NEW* May 29 Umea (S) Applet MONSTER (S) - Startracks / House Of Kicks May 31 Tranas (S) Raser Festival New Venue Jun 1 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar New Date Jun 14 Hultsfred (S) Hultsfred Festival New Date REFUSED (S) - Startracks / House Of Kicks *NEW* Jun 4 Nykoping (S) Sporthallen w/Jumper (S) Jul 12 Arvika (S) Festival SINDY KILLS ME (S) - Beat That / MD *NEW* Jun 1 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar SPACE AGE BABY JANE (S) - Telegram / WEA *NEW* Jul 11 Arvika (S) Arvika Festival STARMARKET (S) - Dolores / MD May 31 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar New Date Jun 9 Umea (S) Station New Date w/Samiam (US) Jul 12 Arvika (S) Festival New Date STICKBOY (S) - A Westside Fabriaction / MD *NEW* May 25 Stockholm (S) Bottleneck May 28 Vaxjo (S) Kafe Stina w/Kepone (US) May 29 Orebro (S) Garaget w/Kepone (US) May 30 Goteborg (S) TBA w/Kepone (US) Jun 1 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar TEDDYBEARS STHLM (S) - MVG Records / MD *NEW* May 31 Stockholm (S) Universitetet Jun 6 Linkoping (S) Universitetet Jun 13 Sundsvall (S) Folkets Park ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NON-SCANDINAVIAN: FRODUS (US) - No looking Back / MD *NEW* May 18 Vanersborg (S) Cafe Eloge GRIMSKUNK (US) - Hypnotic / House Of Kicks *NEW* May 22 Solvesborg (S) Kartago May 23 Ljungby (S) Cafe 1 May 24 Lindesberg (S) Festival IGNITE (US) - Revelation Records / Border *NEW* Jul 5 Oskarshamn (S) Festival KEPONE (US) - Quarterstick Records / Border + STICKBOY (S) - AWSF / MD *NEW* May 28 Vaxjo (S) Kafe Stina May 29 Orebro (S) Garaget May 30 Goteborg (S) TBA May 31 Tranas (S) Raser Festival w/out Stickboy SAMIAM (US) - Burning Heart / MD *NEW* Jun 5 Vanersborg (S) TBA Jun 7 Orebro (S) Contan Jun 9 Umea (S) Station w/Starmarket Jun 11 Goteborg (S) Underground SKANKIN' PICKLE (US) - Dill Records/Import + CRANK (AU) - Onefoot Rec/HOK *NEW* May 30 Bollnas (S) Bollnaspunken May 31 Lulea (S) Kallax Airport May 31 Lulea (S) Stadspuben Jun 1 Stockholm (S) Mera Hitlatar SPOOKEY RUBEN (CAN) - EMI + KING COBB STEELIE (CAN) - EMI *NEW* Jun 12 Goteborg (S) Underground TARNATION (US) - 4AD / MNW-ILR May 28 Stockholm (S) Studion Venue Changed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The COMPLETE Luger Tour List is posted to the mailing list now and then. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 00:28:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: chief@lysator.liu.se Subject: Motor Tour List _Update_ [18-May-97] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scandinavian Indie Motor Tour List UPDATE Scandinavian Indie May 18th, 1997 by Erik Soderstrom (chief@lysator.liu.se) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCANDINAVIAN: Anywhen Roligan *NEW* 22/5 Goteborg - Harry's Playground 23/5 Lund - Helsingkrona Nation 24/5 Stromstad - Skagerack The Cardigans Stockholm Records 23/5 Lawrence - Liberty Hall New Date 24/5 Minneapolis - Edgefest Cancelled 24/5 St. Louis - Mississippi New Date 26/5 Milwaukee - TBA Cancelled 27/5 Tulsa - Cains Ballroom Date Changed (was 29/5) 28/5 Dallas - Deep Ellum Live Date Changed (was 30/5) 31/5 Washington - HFStival New Date 21/6 Hamburg - Hurricane festival New Date 27/6 Skelleftea - Festivalen New Date 11/7 Cleveland - Agora Theatre New Date 12/7 Columbus - Newport Music Hall New Date 13/7 Indianapolis - Egytian Room New Date 14/7 Cincinnati - Bogart's New Date 15/7 Pittsburgh - Metropol New Date 17/7 Toronto - Molson Amphitheatre New Date 30/7 Norfolk - The Boathouse New Date 2/8 Maui - Maui Arts & Cultural Centre New Date 3/8 Oahu - Kualoe Ranch New Date 8/8 Emmaboda - Festival New Date 14/8 Stockholm - Water Festival New Date 16/8 Karlstad - Barncancerfonden New Date 22/8 Holland - Lowlands festival New Date 23/8 Reading - Festival New Date 24/8 Thurles - Festival New Date No fun at All Burning Heart 5/7 Buschsachen - Mind over matter festival New Date Silverbullet FineTone Recordings *NEW* 29/5 Goteborg - Harry's Playground 30/5 Helsingborg - Tivoli 31/5 Lund - Watt 1/6 Stockholm - Grona Lund 2/6 Norrkoping - Palace 3/6 Vasteras - Extremes 4/6 Eskilstuna - Skylight 5/6 Uppsala - Sten Sture & Co ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NON-SCANDINAVIAN: Blur (UK) EMI *NEW* 14/8 Stockholm - Water Festival Die Toten Hosen (D) Virgin *NEW* 19/6 Nummirock (SF) - Nummijarvi EMI Showcase EMI *NEW* Feat. Spookey Ruben & King Cobb Steelie 11/6 Copenhagen (DK) - Vega, Lille sal Front 242 (B) MNW *NEW* 12/7 Arvika - Festival Supergrass (UK) EMI *NEW* 3/10 Malmo - KB 4/10 Stockholm - Electric Garden 5/10 Oslo (N) - Rockefeller 7/10 Copenhagen (DK) - Pumpehuset The Wailers (Original line up). 30/5 Kopenhavn - Pumpehuset Cancelled 31/5 Lund - Mejeriet Cancelled ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FESTIVALS: Kalvoya Festival - Oslo, Norway (June 28-29) *NEW* 28/6: David Bowie (UK) Jim Rose Circus (US) 29/6: Kare & the Cavemen (N) Virgin Bel Canto (N) WEA Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds (AU) MNW Skunk Anansie (UK) Virgin Prodigy (UK) MNW Jim Rose Circus (US) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The complete Motor Tour List is posted once / month to the list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:00:04 +0000 From: Mats Subject: emmaboda news helo, just wanted you all to know that eggstone is playing there this summer. /mast ---------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:05:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Petter Tiilikainen Subject: Re: Creeps According to Michael Rehnstrom: > The music, well it was OK but they sound exactly like before. I don't own > any Creeps records and if I ever decide to buy one it won't be this new > one. "Blue tomato" is the same sound but better songs (haven't heard very > much from their earlier recordings). I believe most people thought the same > way, the sales have been far less than for "Blue tomato". Their early stuff is really good 80s garage rock, their first album has apparently been released on get hip record (www.gethip.com) Petter ----------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:12:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Petter Tiilikainen Subject: Re: Luger Tour List _Update_ [18-May-97] According to chief@lysator.liu.se: > THE HELLACOPTERS (S) - White Jazz / House Of Kicks > Jun 14 Stockholm (S) Stadion New Date w/KISS > Jun 15 Stockholm (S) Stadion New Date w/KISS *Giggle* Wonder if Ace will tell Dregen to fuck off this time too? ;-) > SKANKIN' PICKLE (US) - Dill Records/Import + CRANK (AU) - Onefoot Rec/HOK > May 31 Lulea (S) Kallax Airport Hmm? They'll play at the airport? Que? Not that I care, I'm really not into this kind of stuff, but if someone knows more about this thing please let it be known. > May 31 Lulea (S) Stadspuben Skankin' Pickle at stadspuben? Wonder if the usual clientel (Most being older than 30) will appreciate this kind of music? Pjotr Matjas T. --------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:40:31 +0200 From: beluga@wineasy.se Subject: Re: Luger Tou (non-scan) SKANKIN' PICKLE! I received their cd, a few months back, no cover just a green record (as the record's called "Green") Wonder how the vinyl looks? For those who haven't heard them they are a bit "ska" ish, I think a bit boring, not exciting ska, quite slow, maybe they're better live. In America they are on DR Stange Records I don't know nothing about the Airport. Surpriced to see that Grimskunk are playing here, from Montreal Canada. I've also got an old record from them. They play very fast, also some ska mixed in. ok. The record is called "Exotic Blend" and they say we believe in free smokin!!! Trevor ------------------------------- End of SIN Digest #4.23 *********************** * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Digest version of the list, send your request to: scan-indie-d-request@lysator.liu.se * To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Live version of the list, send your request to: scan-indie-request@lysator.liu.se * All messages to the Scandinavian Indie mailing list should be sent to: scan-indie@lysator.liu.se * The maintainer of both mailing lists is: chief@lysator.liu.se, and can also be reached at: owner-scan-indie@lysator.liu.se * The digests can also be found in ASCII format at ftp.lysator.liu.se /pub/texts/uxu/SID and ftp.uwp.edu /pub/music/lists/scan-indie as well as in HTML format at http://www.lysator.liu.se/~chief/sid.html